Yep; and all Apple fans ever say is "report feedback!!!" but what is the point when seemingly Apple never gets to their backlog of bugs/broken features? I mean, sure, some big stuff gets fixed, but there is a lot of stuff broken going on years they haven't even touched.
Feedback is more or less a black hole, for the most part. It's rarely paid attention to by a human, and is treated like telemetry. If you want something fixed, it needs to get into the press or go viral.
I’m sure there are countless examples to the contrary, but I recently submitted feedback regarding an issue that I was experiencing in Final Cut Pro. Within a week, a member of the Final Cut Pro team contacted me and asked for a copy of my video editing files so they could replicate the issue. I sent them the files, they confirmed the issue, and the issue was fixed in the next release.
> Yep; and all Apple fans ever say is "report feedback!!!"
I'm trying not fall into "No True Scotsman" but... It should be common knowledge at this point that Apple Feedback is a blackhole of despair. "Please attach a sample project" seems to be the go-to, even for things were that makes no sense. Same with attaching debug/diagnostic logs. I understand the value of all of those things but even people who have jumped through all the hoops get ghosted and/or their issue is never addressed.
Currently I would not waste my time on Feedback and it's sad because even if Apple reverses course it will take a lot to get the people who they should most want creating Feedbacks to create them.
Those are probably anonymous employee accounts not fans. I don't know if anyone would be enough of a power user fan to tell someone to file a bug report.
I care more about numerous bugs than I do about performance, to be honest. I'm starting to to regret not switching to Android last time I was upgrading my phone. Even if it is the same bugfest, at least I wouldn't have paid premium for the priveledge of using a device that "just doesn't work"
I need three new phones in close future for the family and I think I will go with Google Pixels and GrapheneOS. There is foldable phone available! It’s cheaper, I can deduct phones in full in the same year since the phones are <800€ before taxes (relevant probably only in Germany). And imho Apple’s premium promise is gone with glass design. Too many small errors.
100% this. I honestly can’t remember the last major feature of MacOS / iOS that didn’t feel like a solution searching for a problem, while I was bombarded by weird little bugs and semi-fail states in core functionality. At this point I experience daily at least once:
- iOS keyboard doesn’t appear when it should
- iOS keyboard button press detection and autocorrect have degraded badly
- UI Layers are missing, misaligned, or stacked in such a way that I can’t actually interact with the element I need to proceed
- mystery Internet slowdowns that resolve only after a restart
- security misbehavior such as refusing to allow a usb device I’ve already approved (MacOS resets approval of my main USB hub every update for some reason)
Snow Leopard was incredibly buggy on release. Spending time on "tech debt and software performance" adds more bugs because all aggressive changes cause regressions.
The reason it worked is that it was a long release cycle with a lot of minor updates.
It's like a new woodworker with a new router where every edge must be rounded. Hopefully, the new will wear off, and everyone will realize round corners do not fit in square holes
So, for example, since the toolbar at the bottom is not a separate interface but hovers over the rendered page, if the page has a button or link that only sits at the bottom of the page, it can literally be impossible to click it because the hovering toolbar will cover it. I’ve come across 2 websites in the past week itself where I had to switch to mobile Firefox to actually do something.
Yeah, because chrome is required to use -safari- webkit too, apple won't allow alternative browsers on the app store.
Except in the EU, but they don't allow it globally so no sane company is going to invest time into building a browser for iOS while apple is intentionally region-locking the ability to install them.
So yeah, on iOS, rendering bugs on Chrome are quite often apple's fault, and the Chrome team can't fix em.
I'd even settle for it being on a switch, call it "minimal UI" or something, but I have a feeling that Apple doesn't work like that. It's burn-the-boats, we're going all in on Glass and there's no going back.
There's no need to lose face to the vast majority of their customers, who don't read tech blogs or know who Siracusa is.
They can just boldy advance forwarded in a rearward direction and claim whatever they want about it. They've done it multiple times - every new iPhone and iOS has looked "the best and newest" and made the last one that looked the best and newest look old-hat.
They owned their mistake of removing all ports and function keys from MacBook Pros, so there is a chance. That being said, the UI degradation of macOS has been a slow but persistent march for about a decade now, and I don't imagine it will change now.
People keep blaming Alan Dye as if he was the only one responsible.
Federighi—who's in charge of implementing this and was busy praising it on stage—is completely blameless. As are all other managers big and small at Apple.
I mean, yeah, if you were picked to present "on stage" (when was the last time a stage was actually involved???) then of course you're going to be a team player and read the script enthusiastically. It's not like Federighi is going to present something "and now, here's the thing that I argued against doing, but was shouted down in all the meetings so here's this thing I don't like and you shouldn't feel obliged to like it either"
> I mean, yeah, if you were picked to present "on stage"
Ah yes. Federighi, the VP of Platform Development, literally responsible for the development of iOS and MacOs "was picked", and had no power to say no to the overwhelming power of the all-powerful head of design Alan Dye.
> but was shouted down in all the meetings
So, VP of Platforms was shouted down by whom exactly?
But sure, let's keep telling everyone that it was only Alan Dye who was responsible for Liquid Glass.
BTW I remind you it was the same Federighi who introduced the awful design changes in the MacOS a few years ago proudly presenting the new settings app and saying that everything will be meticulously designed in the final version (was it Sonoma? Can't remember).
You've taken the wrong interpretation from what I was being somewhat snide about. I don't know the Apple hierarchy and who is actually responsible for what. The point was that anyone presenting for Apple is going to come across as having drunk the kool-aid, otherwise, they would not have been picked.
At the end of the day, I don't care who was/wasn't responsible for any of the decisions. I have no say in the matter, and unless you're part of the management at Apple, neither do you. Lots of people wrote the code to make whatever debacle has happened. They all have skin in the game.
I would like nothing more but the goodwill (what little is left) that would be burnt with the developers who updated their apps to use Liquid Glass might be more than Apple can handle.
Best bet and to move as quickly as possible to tone it down, fix the bugs, and get someone who actually likes macOS in charge(clearly the people in charge hate it, why else would they treat it so badly). The System Settings app was the canary in the coal mine (yes, I'm sure there even better canaries but it's the first that comes to mind), whoever let that out the door should have already been reprimanded but instead Apple doubled down and created the trash heap that is Tahoe.
I like this site, and would love to love it. But the unrelenting refusal to participate in new things simply because they're new is incredibly disappointing. There's nothing wrong with Liquid Glass. There's nothing wrong with an llm. Half of this site could just be a bot complaining.
There's a lot of things wrong with liquid glass. The problem isn't that nobody has valid complaints. It's that you, and others, read those valid complaints and then just literally pretend they don't exist. Frankly, I don't even know how you manage to achieve this level of cognitive dishonesty without stepping back and seriously considering your life and purpose.
Yes, liquid glass does actually have problems. It has performance problems. It can be a big distraction, and some people believe UI whitespace shouldn't detract from the main content. It has huge legibility problems. Sometimes text straight up cannot be read. It has predictability problems. Stuff moves around when it shouldn't, text magically changes colors based on heuristics, which throws users off.
Personally, the icon and widget edges constantly moving around when moving the phone even slightly in any direction got on my nerves so bad that I had to disable Motion completely (the only fix for it). This unfortunately also downgraded a lot of other UI components/interactions as well.
It did give me a battery boost though, so at least there's that.
I don't care when somebody doesn't like aesthetics or look and feel of a new theme. It is subjective. Giving people an option to turn it off is kind. But Liquid Glass is usability terror. Just bring up the onscreen controls when you are playing video and compare that with what it was before. What is incredibly disappointing is people like you who defends new things just because they are new without paying any attention to usability, ergonomics or -sadly- performance. There is nothing good about Liquid Glass. Half of this site could just be a bot complaining.
They keyboard is bad, yes, but the text selection is maddening! It used to be that double or long tapping a word was enough to highlight it and retype it, now you never know if that will select a word, statement, or whole paragraph, and there's nothing you can do to change that. Even trying to hit the cursor handles at both ends of the selection can become an exercise in frustration.
I've lost count of how many times I've ended retyping a whole statement instead of trying to fix a single autocorrected word.
Apple is becoming the Bethesda of OSs, promising to fix their bugs to maybe extend battery life, when the UX has fundamental flaws.
If they can't get my keyboard to stop replacing in with inn I don't think they are going to magically fix the battery life hit that comes with every ios update.
For a long time I thought my typing and proofreading got worse. I am glad to hear more and more from others where the iOS keyboard also does funky stuff. I haven't had "in" to "inn" but I have had the keyboard replace words in the typed text right when I am submitting a text message.
I'm shocked to see this as the top comment. My entire household is on Apple devices. There are over a dozen products with keyboards (physical or virtual) and no one has ever had in replaced with inn.
Where does it even happen? Can you create a keyboard shortcut or solve it with some LLM help?
"in" to "inn" is just one of the numerous words it LOVES to replace for me. (But it is one of the most common)
Just this afternoon it also replaced "for" with "fire", and it loves censoring me with "ducking".
One time it got me into hot water when it corrected "tacos" to "Travis". "I picked up Travis on the way home" isn't the message your wife wants to see after being dropped off at the airport.
Just my iPhone 13 mini does this my iPad isn't as bad. It has persisted between iOS updates and has been an ongoing issue for a few years.
Apple’s keyboard problems are very evident. There are videos showing some very blatant flaws.
But I suspect there are Apple homers who are gonna defend Apple just like they defended the butterfly keyboards, right until the day Apple finally accepted it was broken and surprise, here’s a new laptop you can buy from Apple without the butterfly keyboard to replace your existing broken one.
Or alternatively Apple will accept that the device was indeed broken but 5 years later, when people barely have their device anymore and if they do it’s not worth getting the replacement from Apple anyways because it’s outdated, like they did with the graphics cards in the laptops for several years.
I get what you’re saying, I’m saying you don’t know if the keyboard problems are affecting 0.3% or 30%. The internet makes both of those look the same, and yes Apple can’t be trusted. If we’re doing anecdotes I have no issues with my keyboards either.
Why is an oft-wrong rumor site which churns out clickbait left and right being pushed up on HN? There's no story, here. It has no reliable source and nothing coming directly from Apple.
macrumors.com, 9to5mac.com should have been [dead].
Why? They are incredibly amusing news sites that have been around for years, absolutely more correct than not correct. And it is called Mac RUMORS, not Mac CONFIRMED_PRESS_RELEASES. Alas, you should not blindly trust every leak and rumor.
> users [could] interact with Siri and future Apple devices without speaking out loud.. AI systems capable of interpreting facial expressions and subtle muscle movements to understand so-called “silent speech.”
Oh man. That would be incredibly cool. I use dictation all the time on my iPhone, for example I'm dictating this comment right now. It's just almost always faster than typing. But I'm never going to dictate anything at the office or on public transportation. But if I could just hold the phone up closer to my lips and have it transcribe just as well while I "talk" silently, that would be really interesting. And in the same way we've completely normalized people who seem to be talking to themselves, until you realize they're having a conversation over their earbuds, we'll completely normalize people silently mouthing sentences to their phones. What a weird but fascinating idea.
This so strongly reminds me of parts of the Ender's Game series, as well as some of Vernor Vinge's works. (I won't say which ones to avoid potential spoilers.)
Yes, but it's not very convenient to need to hold your iPhone up to your face to use such an interface. Maybe a Mac or iPad that has its camera pointed at you while you are doing work.
I wish Apple would pause the Major Number bumps across all the OSes. Perhaps a 3-year OS update cycle. No Rush. They can still do the Marketing thingies with feature additions and bug fixes, like, “This WWDC is all about the 0.5 update, and you will love it.”
Given that Apple tend to have long periods of crud accumulating and releases becoming slower, buggier and more annoying they should revamp their entire release process and make quality a more prominent part of the release process. Linux did so with its odd/even version numbering to signal which kernels were considered stable and which were development versions.
For each major release cycle the longest part of the cycle should be focused on code quality and cleanup. So that people who depend on the stability of their operating environment can configure the software update process to just wait until a new OS release has gone through a bugfix AND cleanup cycle.
Why spend more time on cleanup that on features? Well, so far it seems to have been the other way around. Which means that everyone has to waste a lot of time while some experimental OS is making your life miserable. People who want to use bleeding edge features can upgrade as soon as a new major release is dropped. But people like me, who depend on their phone and computer to make a living, would rather not be field-testing buggy, slow experimental code.
And not to put too fine a point on it, iOS was crap. And from what I am hearing macOS Tahoe isn't worth the upgrade so I keep clicking away those annoying popups that try to get me to install it.
Yeah, I get it, the guy from marketing isn't going to like it, but we could also stop pretending that every new major release is a gift to humanity. We don't think so and Apple knows it isn't so. Every release comes with dread. What will stop working this time?
It isn't like Apple doesn't have the means to hire developers.
How about fixing their calendar widgets? I didn’t think it was possible to make a non functional calendar. But here we are…
https://lemmy.world/post/18872755
If it’s true, then good for Apple. Pausing feature development to clean up tech debt is healthy.
I worry that they’ll realize a 5% efficiency saving and then immediately spend it on a 10% inefficiency feature and sell the net result as “only 5% slower and our research tells us that is imperceptible”.
I'll believe it when I see it. iOS 26 has been having 5 fps in the home screen all the time and I can see the effect constantly pop up, go away and even spaz out on a 3 year old pro max model. I have a pitch black home screen as well and the glass effect is completely inconherent and looks horrible so would be ideal if glass can be disabled in the homescreen entirely or have the same opaque effect as it is in-apps.
A bug(?) exists to disable liquid ass on the Home Screen that still works in 26.3 - enable Reduce Motion globally in accessibility settings, then add a per app accessibility override for “Home Screen & App Library” with Reduce Motion off, then reboot. Somehow this disables liquid ass throughout the Home Screen, back to iOS 18 gaussian blurs
Yep, MacRumors is one of many bottom-feeders regurgitating rumors and half-truths from a fatter bottom-feeder, trading Apple hysteria for ad impressions. It's another small signal that the tech industry is now mostly eating itself.
a couple years ago it felt like the iPhone just worked. currently, it's so buggy i can't ignore it. some of these which i encounter every day:
- screen is dimmed when unlocked, then after a minute or so, goes to normal brightness
- touch screen does not work when receiving calls, so i can't answer. same for alarms, where i have to use the volume buttons to snooze the alarm, then touch starts working so i can manually clear it
- alarms not going off, or just being silent. so many time's i've woken up next to my phone being completely silent with the alarm interface being active
- keyboard not appearing sometimes causing layout issues
- using reduced transparency in Apple Music causes a huge empty area to appear in the bottom bar where the dynamic (?) "current song playing" appears
- rearranging icons on the home screen feel like it's a 50/50 chance moving the icon actually succeeds. the other half of the times, the icon just returns to where ever it was before
- re-arranging the control center do not register, or actions are delayed and makes it so un-intuitive what is going on
some design things which are intended which annoy me so much are:
- plugging in a charger will force show you the battery, so you can't use your phone for a few seconds
- hold and dragging the keyboard spacebar to move the cursor has some delay until the keyboard returns to normal, and tapping the spacebar again (when i need to place a spacebar) resets the delay
iMessage and AirDrop is so convenient, and the integration with AirPods is super clean. i would really like to continue using iPhone, but every day i feel somewhat depressed over how laggy iOS is :(
Apples own Apps need serious attention. The iOS Podcast app doesn't allow me to delete certain podcasts from the downloads section. Seems like silly bug for the ecosystem that "just works".
Apple should focus on security and verifiability. At the moment, when another zero day for iOS is released, users have no way to check if their phones have been compromised.
Meaning from security point of view Apple devices are not trustworthy.
Just do this for like, the next six months. Go in, clear out tech debt, get stuff fixed.
Tell the creative and features guys that they look like hell and need to take a vacation. Unless it's the guy who says you can't make colorful MBP finishes. Just fire that guy.
Do that and you'll have my money for another MBP sooner rather than later.
> iOS 27 'Rave' Update to Clean Up Code, Could Boost Battery Life
I'm trying to imagine a world where, instead of affirmative or negative, we use conditional.
"We could search for a new candidate". "Honey could you go buy some bread ? There isn't any. / Yes honey, i could". "Your salary could raise with 3%". "I'm a journalist. I could write an article if i would". And so on and so forth.
P.S. They forgot the "could" before "update" and "clean".
Literally all I want from Apple is a year (or multiple) spent laser focused tackling tech debt and improving software performance.
Yep; and all Apple fans ever say is "report feedback!!!" but what is the point when seemingly Apple never gets to their backlog of bugs/broken features? I mean, sure, some big stuff gets fixed, but there is a lot of stuff broken going on years they haven't even touched.
Feedback is more or less a black hole, for the most part. It's rarely paid attention to by a human, and is treated like telemetry. If you want something fixed, it needs to get into the press or go viral.
I’m sure there are countless examples to the contrary, but I recently submitted feedback regarding an issue that I was experiencing in Final Cut Pro. Within a week, a member of the Final Cut Pro team contacted me and asked for a copy of my video editing files so they could replicate the issue. I sent them the files, they confirmed the issue, and the issue was fixed in the next release.
I was very pleasantly surprised.
> Yep; and all Apple fans ever say is "report feedback!!!"
I'm trying not fall into "No True Scotsman" but... It should be common knowledge at this point that Apple Feedback is a blackhole of despair. "Please attach a sample project" seems to be the go-to, even for things were that makes no sense. Same with attaching debug/diagnostic logs. I understand the value of all of those things but even people who have jumped through all the hoops get ghosted and/or their issue is never addressed.
Currently I would not waste my time on Feedback and it's sad because even if Apple reverses course it will take a lot to get the people who they should most want creating Feedbacks to create them.
I'm gonna be guilty of whataboutism but is there any remotely large company out there that isn't a black hole of despair when it comes to feedback?
Microsoft, kinda-sorta, does something when a feedback item gets enough votes on this:
https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback/forum/ad198462...
LOL I'm amazed that's still up and running; I created the backend for this using Dynamics 365 in 2021.
Those are probably anonymous employee accounts not fans. I don't know if anyone would be enough of a power user fan to tell someone to file a bug report.
I just madly click on "I Have This Problem Too"
I’ve reported a few things, none of it got fixed or acknowledged. Providing video evidence too!
You don’t even know whether it goes somewhere because you don’t even get a proper ack.
Honestly the best way to get stuff fixed is to work there, and report shit directly to PMs/BRB while living on the dailies.
Short of that yeah, everything is a black hole :/
I care more about numerous bugs than I do about performance, to be honest. I'm starting to to regret not switching to Android last time I was upgrading my phone. Even if it is the same bugfest, at least I wouldn't have paid premium for the priveledge of using a device that "just doesn't work"
I need three new phones in close future for the family and I think I will go with Google Pixels and GrapheneOS. There is foldable phone available! It’s cheaper, I can deduct phones in full in the same year since the phones are <800€ before taxes (relevant probably only in Germany). And imho Apple’s premium promise is gone with glass design. Too many small errors.
Graphene has been good to me, after I turned off the "Apps just updated" and "Apps are up to date already" notification spam
Yeah, the latest update has nearly crippled my phone. Half the time when I unlock it the app icons just don't appear.
Software bloat is not a failure for Apple. It is a mechanism that drives the hardware upgrade cycle.
100% this. I honestly can’t remember the last major feature of MacOS / iOS that didn’t feel like a solution searching for a problem, while I was bombarded by weird little bugs and semi-fail states in core functionality. At this point I experience daily at least once:
- iOS keyboard doesn’t appear when it should - iOS keyboard button press detection and autocorrect have degraded badly - UI Layers are missing, misaligned, or stacked in such a way that I can’t actually interact with the element I need to proceed - mystery Internet slowdowns that resolve only after a restart - security misbehavior such as refusing to allow a usb device I’ve already approved (MacOS resets approval of my main USB hub every update for some reason)
We need another Snow Leopard era.
Snow Leopard was incredibly buggy on release. Spending time on "tech debt and software performance" adds more bugs because all aggressive changes cause regressions.
The reason it worked is that it was a long release cycle with a lot of minor updates.
> Snow Leopard was incredibly buggy on release
More on that here:
The myth and reality of Mac OS X Snow Leopard (November 13 2023)
https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2023/11/5.html
I want them to have invested in this already so we don't have this miserable shit to deal with.
Just drop the liquid glass farce and you will save 5% battery life already.
ios 27 being ios 26 minus liquid glass is literally the only thing I want from the next ios version.
Same with macOS. I'm sticking with Sequoia, but don't know what to do if macOS 27 turns out to be just as ugly as Tahoe.
Just give me my fucking corners back. I paid good money for them.
It's like a new woodworker with a new router where every edge must be rounded. Hopefully, the new will wear off, and everyone will realize round corners do not fit in square holes
Been there done that!
I'm sticking with Sonoma as long as they still provide security updates, then i go +1, hoping to skip the whole liquid glass phase.
I would like them to also fix all the weird rendering bugs they introduced in Safari.
Though maybe those are also liquid glass’ fault.
Safari is literally unusable on some websites.
So, for example, since the toolbar at the bottom is not a separate interface but hovers over the rendered page, if the page has a button or link that only sits at the bottom of the page, it can literally be impossible to click it because the hovering toolbar will cover it. I’ve come across 2 websites in the past week itself where I had to switch to mobile Firefox to actually do something.
Chrome has them too :)
Yeah, because chrome is required to use -safari- webkit too, apple won't allow alternative browsers on the app store.
Except in the EU, but they don't allow it globally so no sane company is going to invest time into building a browser for iOS while apple is intentionally region-locking the ability to install them.
So yeah, on iOS, rendering bugs on Chrome are quite often apple's fault, and the Chrome team can't fix em.
I'd even settle for it being on a switch, call it "minimal UI" or something, but I have a feeling that Apple doesn't work like that. It's burn-the-boats, we're going all in on Glass and there's no going back.
this would make me so happy!
I wonder if anybody at Apple is bold enough to lose face over this, given that there‘s a leadership shuffle underway.
There's no need to lose face to the vast majority of their customers, who don't read tech blogs or know who Siracusa is.
They can just boldy advance forwarded in a rearward direction and claim whatever they want about it. They've done it multiple times - every new iPhone and iOS has looked "the best and newest" and made the last one that looked the best and newest look old-hat.
> … or know who Siracusa is.
Succinctly put.
You’re right that they’ve done that before. But I only remember Jobs and Ive doing it, and they have a reality distortion field.
They owned their mistake of removing all ports and function keys from MacBook Pros, so there is a chance. That being said, the UI degradation of macOS has been a slow but persistent march for about a decade now, and I don't imagine it will change now.
I thought the person responsible was already gone...
People keep blaming Alan Dye as if he was the only one responsible.
Federighi—who's in charge of implementing this and was busy praising it on stage—is completely blameless. As are all other managers big and small at Apple.
> and was busy praising it on stage
I mean, yeah, if you were picked to present "on stage" (when was the last time a stage was actually involved???) then of course you're going to be a team player and read the script enthusiastically. It's not like Federighi is going to present something "and now, here's the thing that I argued against doing, but was shouted down in all the meetings so here's this thing I don't like and you shouldn't feel obliged to like it either"
> I mean, yeah, if you were picked to present "on stage"
Ah yes. Federighi, the VP of Platform Development, literally responsible for the development of iOS and MacOs "was picked", and had no power to say no to the overwhelming power of the all-powerful head of design Alan Dye.
> but was shouted down in all the meetings
So, VP of Platforms was shouted down by whom exactly?
But sure, let's keep telling everyone that it was only Alan Dye who was responsible for Liquid Glass.
BTW I remind you it was the same Federighi who introduced the awful design changes in the MacOS a few years ago proudly presenting the new settings app and saying that everything will be meticulously designed in the final version (was it Sonoma? Can't remember).
You've taken the wrong interpretation from what I was being somewhat snide about. I don't know the Apple hierarchy and who is actually responsible for what. The point was that anyone presenting for Apple is going to come across as having drunk the kool-aid, otherwise, they would not have been picked.
At the end of the day, I don't care who was/wasn't responsible for any of the decisions. I have no say in the matter, and unless you're part of the management at Apple, neither do you. Lots of people wrote the code to make whatever debacle has happened. They all have skin in the game.
> I don't know the Apple hierarchy and who is actually responsible for what.
Alan Dye was Vice President of Human Interface Design
Federighi is Senior Vice President Software Engineering. Only Tim Cook and God are above him: https://www.apple.com/leadership/craig-federighi/
I mean, you're supposed to know at least some basic facts to engage in a conversation about this, right? He wasn't "picked to present"
> The point was that anyone presenting for Apple is going to come across as having drunk the kool-aid, otherwise, they would not have been picked.
You've missed my point entirely.
Again: it wasn't just Alan Dye reapinsible for Liquid Glass. People keep pretending only Dye was responsible for it.
They might manage to pin it all on Alan Dye, who recently jumped ship to Meta.
But what if I want my iPhone to look like Windows Vista?
I actually liked how Vista looked, but it had a lot of artificial sheen that Liquid Glass doesn’t have.
Looks were never Vista’s problem.
I don't remember my Vista installation being this illegible.
Windows 98 Phone when?
I would like nothing more but the goodwill (what little is left) that would be burnt with the developers who updated their apps to use Liquid Glass might be more than Apple can handle.
Best bet and to move as quickly as possible to tone it down, fix the bugs, and get someone who actually likes macOS in charge(clearly the people in charge hate it, why else would they treat it so badly). The System Settings app was the canary in the coal mine (yes, I'm sure there even better canaries but it's the first that comes to mind), whoever let that out the door should have already been reprimanded but instead Apple doubled down and created the trash heap that is Tahoe.
I don't think they can or will change something that drastic right away, but I'd wager that there is at least one team, rethinking it.
Maybe a year or two of bug fixing updates, while they entirely refresh liquid glass?
Seems like a BIG job.
I like this site, and would love to love it. But the unrelenting refusal to participate in new things simply because they're new is incredibly disappointing. There's nothing wrong with Liquid Glass. There's nothing wrong with an llm. Half of this site could just be a bot complaining.
There's a lot of things wrong with liquid glass. The problem isn't that nobody has valid complaints. It's that you, and others, read those valid complaints and then just literally pretend they don't exist. Frankly, I don't even know how you manage to achieve this level of cognitive dishonesty without stepping back and seriously considering your life and purpose.
Yes, liquid glass does actually have problems. It has performance problems. It can be a big distraction, and some people believe UI whitespace shouldn't detract from the main content. It has huge legibility problems. Sometimes text straight up cannot be read. It has predictability problems. Stuff moves around when it shouldn't, text magically changes colors based on heuristics, which throws users off.
And that's not an exhaustive list.
UX regressions are bad, and liquid glass is worse than Microsoft’s Metro nonsense for usability.
Transparency is not a good user experience when you’re trying to read detailed text.
Personally, the icon and widget edges constantly moving around when moving the phone even slightly in any direction got on my nerves so bad that I had to disable Motion completely (the only fix for it). This unfortunately also downgraded a lot of other UI components/interactions as well.
It did give me a battery boost though, so at least there's that.
I don't care when somebody doesn't like aesthetics or look and feel of a new theme. It is subjective. Giving people an option to turn it off is kind. But Liquid Glass is usability terror. Just bring up the onscreen controls when you are playing video and compare that with what it was before. What is incredibly disappointing is people like you who defends new things just because they are new without paying any attention to usability, ergonomics or -sadly- performance. There is nothing good about Liquid Glass. Half of this site could just be a bot complaining.
Hey, maybe they'll fix the keyboard, too, and then that guy won't have to switch to Android for two years!
They keyboard is bad, yes, but the text selection is maddening! It used to be that double or long tapping a word was enough to highlight it and retype it, now you never know if that will select a word, statement, or whole paragraph, and there's nothing you can do to change that. Even trying to hit the cursor handles at both ends of the selection can become an exercise in frustration.
I've lost count of how many times I've ended retyping a whole statement instead of trying to fix a single autocorrected word.
Apple is becoming the Bethesda of OSs, promising to fix their bugs to maybe extend battery life, when the UX has fundamental flaws.
A keyboard fix is the only thing I want at this point. It is comically bad.
I love that we all see the same content on HN. Maybe he will start vibecoding and get hired by OpenAI afterward.
Apple got brutally frame mogged by the keyboard frat leader
This is both the best and worst comment I’ve ever read on HN.
I hate how much of it I understand.
That could is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
If they can't get my keyboard to stop replacing in with inn I don't think they are going to magically fix the battery life hit that comes with every ios update.
For a long time I thought my typing and proofreading got worse. I am glad to hear more and more from others where the iOS keyboard also does funky stuff. I haven't had "in" to "inn" but I have had the keyboard replace words in the typed text right when I am submitting a text message.
I just don't think to proof my texts. Usually it's type, send, and realize autocorrect makes me sound like a ~balloon~ buffoon.
I'm shocked to see this as the top comment. My entire household is on Apple devices. There are over a dozen products with keyboards (physical or virtual) and no one has ever had in replaced with inn.
Where does it even happen? Can you create a keyboard shortcut or solve it with some LLM help?
"in" to "inn" is just one of the numerous words it LOVES to replace for me. (But it is one of the most common)
Just this afternoon it also replaced "for" with "fire", and it loves censoring me with "ducking".
One time it got me into hot water when it corrected "tacos" to "Travis". "I picked up Travis on the way home" isn't the message your wife wants to see after being dropped off at the airport.
Just my iPhone 13 mini does this my iPad isn't as bad. It has persisted between iOS updates and has been an ongoing issue for a few years.
I think it’s like Amazon reviews. Nobody has a 100% rating, there’s always something, and that’s what gets the attention.
Apple’s keyboard problems are very evident. There are videos showing some very blatant flaws.
But I suspect there are Apple homers who are gonna defend Apple just like they defended the butterfly keyboards, right until the day Apple finally accepted it was broken and surprise, here’s a new laptop you can buy from Apple without the butterfly keyboard to replace your existing broken one.
Or alternatively Apple will accept that the device was indeed broken but 5 years later, when people barely have their device anymore and if they do it’s not worth getting the replacement from Apple anyways because it’s outdated, like they did with the graphics cards in the laptops for several years.
I get what you’re saying, I’m saying you don’t know if the keyboard problems are affecting 0.3% or 30%. The internet makes both of those look the same, and yes Apple can’t be trusted. If we’re doing anecdotes I have no issues with my keyboards either.
What do you even mean by LLM help??
Why is an oft-wrong rumor site which churns out clickbait left and right being pushed up on HN? There's no story, here. It has no reliable source and nothing coming directly from Apple.
macrumors.com, 9to5mac.com should have been [dead].
Why? They are incredibly amusing news sites that have been around for years, absolutely more correct than not correct. And it is called Mac RUMORS, not Mac CONFIRMED_PRESS_RELEASES. Alas, you should not blindly trust every leak and rumor.
Because people want the rumor to be true
Will iOS 28 bring silent voice interface? https://www.newsweek.com/apples-2b-ai-acquisition-could-have...
> users [could] interact with Siri and future Apple devices without speaking out loud.. AI systems capable of interpreting facial expressions and subtle muscle movements to understand so-called “silent speech.”
Israeli AI software that's constantly watching my face and surroundings to read what I'm talking about? If there's anything I do not want, it's this.
Oh man. That would be incredibly cool. I use dictation all the time on my iPhone, for example I'm dictating this comment right now. It's just almost always faster than typing. But I'm never going to dictate anything at the office or on public transportation. But if I could just hold the phone up closer to my lips and have it transcribe just as well while I "talk" silently, that would be really interesting. And in the same way we've completely normalized people who seem to be talking to themselves, until you realize they're having a conversation over their earbuds, we'll completely normalize people silently mouthing sentences to their phones. What a weird but fascinating idea.
This so strongly reminds me of parts of the Ender's Game series, as well as some of Vernor Vinge's works. (I won't say which ones to avoid potential spoilers.)
Never considered this but I'd love this feature
I would expect this to be a feature of a specific product, like AR glasses.
It's from the creator of FaceID, so might be possible on other devices.
Yes, but it's not very convenient to need to hold your iPhone up to your face to use such an interface. Maybe a Mac or iPad that has its camera pointed at you while you are doing work.
I'm assuming by now they have realized that they got scammed in this acquisition.
Cool, innovating in ways to make Siri functionally worse. Didn’t think they had another gear.
"Olive Juice"
Yeah I'm really looking forward to frantically sticking my tongue out in morse code to subtly communicate with my phone.
Reminds me of the "Apple has not fixed the macOS audio left/right balance bug for nearly 10 years" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39367460
or "NoTunes is a macOS application that will prevent Apple Music from launching" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40426621
There are so many annoyances allover already. Not Windows 11 level, but noticeably bad.
I wish Apple would pause the Major Number bumps across all the OSes. Perhaps a 3-year OS update cycle. No Rush. They can still do the Marketing thingies with feature additions and bug fixes, like, “This WWDC is all about the 0.5 update, and you will love it.”
Given that Apple tend to have long periods of crud accumulating and releases becoming slower, buggier and more annoying they should revamp their entire release process and make quality a more prominent part of the release process. Linux did so with its odd/even version numbering to signal which kernels were considered stable and which were development versions.
For each major release cycle the longest part of the cycle should be focused on code quality and cleanup. So that people who depend on the stability of their operating environment can configure the software update process to just wait until a new OS release has gone through a bugfix AND cleanup cycle.
Why spend more time on cleanup that on features? Well, so far it seems to have been the other way around. Which means that everyone has to waste a lot of time while some experimental OS is making your life miserable. People who want to use bleeding edge features can upgrade as soon as a new major release is dropped. But people like me, who depend on their phone and computer to make a living, would rather not be field-testing buggy, slow experimental code.
And not to put too fine a point on it, iOS was crap. And from what I am hearing macOS Tahoe isn't worth the upgrade so I keep clicking away those annoying popups that try to get me to install it.
Yeah, I get it, the guy from marketing isn't going to like it, but we could also stop pretending that every new major release is a gift to humanity. We don't think so and Apple knows it isn't so. Every release comes with dread. What will stop working this time?
It isn't like Apple doesn't have the means to hire developers.
How about fixing their calendar widgets? I didn’t think it was possible to make a non functional calendar. But here we are… https://lemmy.world/post/18872755
At least not as useless as the windows taskbar calendar. It's nearly a decade without any functionality or integration.
Actually I don’t mind the way it looks. Performance seems even better.. but it has destroyed my battery life.
I find it hard to believe it’s the transparencies causing the issue though as even just watching a video, it’s worse.
If it’s true, then good for Apple. Pausing feature development to clean up tech debt is healthy.
I worry that they’ll realize a 5% efficiency saving and then immediately spend it on a 10% inefficiency feature and sell the net result as “only 5% slower and our research tells us that is imperceptible”.
Less than a month after Microsoft announcing this for Windows https://www.theverge.com/tech/870045/microsoft-windows-11-is...
I'll believe it when I see it. iOS 26 has been having 5 fps in the home screen all the time and I can see the effect constantly pop up, go away and even spaz out on a 3 year old pro max model. I have a pitch black home screen as well and the glass effect is completely inconherent and looks horrible so would be ideal if glass can be disabled in the homescreen entirely or have the same opaque effect as it is in-apps.
A bug(?) exists to disable liquid ass on the Home Screen that still works in 26.3 - enable Reduce Motion globally in accessibility settings, then add a per app accessibility override for “Home Screen & App Library” with Reduce Motion off, then reboot. Somehow this disables liquid ass throughout the Home Screen, back to iOS 18 gaussian blurs
>iOS 26 has been having 5 fps in the home screen all the time and I can see the effect constantly pop up
Just after unlocking your phone? That's existed on iOS 18 at the very least and can hardly be blamed on iOS 26 or liquid glass.
Current one is the last iPhone I'll ever own.
> according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.
The entire Apple rumor world is based off this guys Sunday email.
Yep, MacRumors is one of many bottom-feeders regurgitating rumors and half-truths from a fatter bottom-feeder, trading Apple hysteria for ad impressions. It's another small signal that the tech industry is now mostly eating itself.
This is the one thing users have asked for for years now. Apparently even Apple eventually listens.
I think the abysmal adoption numbers of the v26 OSes have played a big role here.
And imagine the numbers if downgrading was possible...
a couple years ago it felt like the iPhone just worked. currently, it's so buggy i can't ignore it. some of these which i encounter every day: - screen is dimmed when unlocked, then after a minute or so, goes to normal brightness - touch screen does not work when receiving calls, so i can't answer. same for alarms, where i have to use the volume buttons to snooze the alarm, then touch starts working so i can manually clear it - alarms not going off, or just being silent. so many time's i've woken up next to my phone being completely silent with the alarm interface being active - keyboard not appearing sometimes causing layout issues - using reduced transparency in Apple Music causes a huge empty area to appear in the bottom bar where the dynamic (?) "current song playing" appears - rearranging icons on the home screen feel like it's a 50/50 chance moving the icon actually succeeds. the other half of the times, the icon just returns to where ever it was before - re-arranging the control center do not register, or actions are delayed and makes it so un-intuitive what is going on
some design things which are intended which annoy me so much are: - plugging in a charger will force show you the battery, so you can't use your phone for a few seconds - hold and dragging the keyboard spacebar to move the cursor has some delay until the keyboard returns to normal, and tapping the spacebar again (when i need to place a spacebar) resets the delay
iMessage and AirDrop is so convenient, and the integration with AirPods is super clean. i would really like to continue using iPhone, but every day i feel somewhat depressed over how laggy iOS is :(
There are SO many fundamentally bad/broken design decisions in iOS now, from simply infuriating to use elements to downright broken ones.
The amount of times the keyboard just blocks some button, a setting is nested 5/6 menus deep, things that used to be slick no longer just work.
I set alarms on my iPad sometimes, theres a floating popup, you can't dismiss it by clicking away like you would expect, you have to click the x, [image](https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/set-an-alarm-ipadec8a36...)
Apples own Apps need serious attention. The iOS Podcast app doesn't allow me to delete certain podcasts from the downloads section. Seems like silly bug for the ecosystem that "just works".
Apple should focus on security and verifiability. At the moment, when another zero day for iOS is released, users have no way to check if their phones have been compromised.
Meaning from security point of view Apple devices are not trustworthy.
Apple should cease doing security by obscurity.
Tim, honey, darling, baby.
Just do this for like, the next six months. Go in, clear out tech debt, get stuff fixed.
Tell the creative and features guys that they look like hell and need to take a vacation. Unless it's the guy who says you can't make colorful MBP finishes. Just fire that guy.
Do that and you'll have my money for another MBP sooner rather than later.
> iOS 27 'Rave' Update to Clean Up Code, Could Boost Battery Life
I'm trying to imagine a world where, instead of affirmative or negative, we use conditional.
"We could search for a new candidate". "Honey could you go buy some bread ? There isn't any. / Yes honey, i could". "Your salary could raise with 3%". "I'm a journalist. I could write an article if i would". And so on and so forth.
P.S. They forgot the "could" before "update" and "clean".
All I want from Apple is to get rid of that atrocious frosted glass interface. It looks like a Sharper Image catalog from the 90's!