You aren’t alone. If you look at my favorite submissions you’ll find some articles written by others that feel the same way.
My advice, keep your skills and brain sharp, use LLMs in your workflow a little to stay under management’s radar. Try to find a line where you can still have fun in this job while sprinkling some LLM use in. Avoid the hype on this site and others.
It is not wrong to enjoy coding for the sake of the craft. Suspect anybody who tells you otherwise.
How well has this advice worked for me? I can’t say yet, I’m still trying to figure it out too. But I’m with you. I’ve been called a Luddite and worse, but if I’m forced to give away all the parts of this job I love the most, I’d rather do something else with my life. Maybe it will come to that. I wish you the best of luck.
Vibe coding is painful mostly just because natural language is bad for programming in. Give it a couple of iterations and statistical programming will be at least as enjoyable as deterministic programming is today :)
You are not alone. Nobody asked me either, if I want this. I don't want this. AI-bots make us worse at thinking for ourselves.
I cannot think of a worse fate for us all. Thousands of years of effort to improve our collective mind, our collective understanding, costing countless lives and suffering, and all is being taken away by a few companies and unbridled marked mechanisms.
My solution is to code more challenging stuff. I vibe code but it's also complicated enough that the AI can't do everything for me which requires me to use my brain and solve problems. It's still fun for me.
I don't have the answer about "what to do in 5 years"
But, I think in this year you can avoid reading HN if the news about AI hurt. AI only exists if you let it inside your brain, you can remove most of AI by not reading news
I am yet to hear about painting factories or teams of painters creating complex paintings. It's a great hobby, just like coding will soon be. There are a few fantastic painters, and there will be a few fantastic software engineers, I guess.
Problem is LLMs still produce very often code that disappoints. This ereases trust in it for me and makes me always regret the decision to try it yet again. In order to cope with that I try to read and understand the code to verify. But then there is no "scaling of value produced" because its not really faster than doing it all by myself - is this a me problem ? LLMs are no doubt great for searching, generating ideas etc. but programming...?
Coding has been becoming a commodity for at least a decade. If you are trying to compete in this market because you “codez real gud” - good luck with that.
Every open req gets hundreds of applications within the first day and it’s almost impossible to stand out. AI has just accelerated the process
hey, first time commenting here. You're not alone. I also despise llm's for the huge lie they are. They are pushed into every facet our lives to steal our data. They are trained on our stolen art and literature. They will never reach 'AGI', no matter how many regulations and safetychecks are bypassed in the name of progress. It's a con. In the end it's still all about the money. Who is getting rich off the idea that LLM's are the future? The tech oligarchy has aligned itself with the radical right, and taken a page out of their playbook. Do crazy shit, then pretend like it's normal. Pretend you're the only one who thinks it's crazy. Their goal is to make you, and people like you, shut up about the steaming pile of shit that AI is. As soon as the general public realizes that AI has not, in fact, made their lives 1000x better (as is promised with the release of each model), the AI tech bros stop getting massive investments and gov bailouts. Their excessive spending catches up with them, and they can't sustain their growth.
To keep it short on vibe coding, just don't do it. It's been found in recent studies that vibe coding atrophies your hard earned skillz, 'use it or lose it'. Code however you want to, and don't let promttards tell you that you're doing it wrong :).
So don't give up. Don't give in to the marketing that you will be made obsolete if you don't jump on the hype train. Find a community you enjoy working with, and don't let the AI bro's drive you crazy.
TLDR;
Just like crypto isn't the future, LLMs are not either. Now more than ever it's important to think about financial incentives, and follow the money. Spread the word and don't let yourself be alienated.You are not alone.
You aren’t alone. If you look at my favorite submissions you’ll find some articles written by others that feel the same way.
My advice, keep your skills and brain sharp, use LLMs in your workflow a little to stay under management’s radar. Try to find a line where you can still have fun in this job while sprinkling some LLM use in. Avoid the hype on this site and others.
It is not wrong to enjoy coding for the sake of the craft. Suspect anybody who tells you otherwise.
How well has this advice worked for me? I can’t say yet, I’m still trying to figure it out too. But I’m with you. I’ve been called a Luddite and worse, but if I’m forced to give away all the parts of this job I love the most, I’d rather do something else with my life. Maybe it will come to that. I wish you the best of luck.
Vibe coding is painful mostly just because natural language is bad for programming in. Give it a couple of iterations and statistical programming will be at least as enjoyable as deterministic programming is today :)
You are not alone. Nobody asked me either, if I want this. I don't want this. AI-bots make us worse at thinking for ourselves.
I cannot think of a worse fate for us all. Thousands of years of effort to improve our collective mind, our collective understanding, costing countless lives and suffering, and all is being taken away by a few companies and unbridled marked mechanisms.
It really weights heavy on my heart.
My solution is to code more challenging stuff. I vibe code but it's also complicated enough that the AI can't do everything for me which requires me to use my brain and solve problems. It's still fun for me.
I don't have the answer about "what to do in 5 years"
But, I think in this year you can avoid reading HN if the news about AI hurt. AI only exists if you let it inside your brain, you can remove most of AI by not reading news
> the most beautiful thing in the Tech was taken away from us… coding
Yes, there'll be casualties. The most beautiful thing in tech isn't coding: it's producing value at scale.
That's like saying the most beautiful thing in painting isn't the painting... it's selling gallery tickets.
I am yet to hear about painting factories or teams of painters creating complex paintings. It's a great hobby, just like coding will soon be. There are a few fantastic painters, and there will be a few fantastic software engineers, I guess.
>I am yet to hear about painting factories or teams of painters creating complex paintings
There you go.
https://medium.com/lean-canvas-takedown/economic-lessons-fro...
It's like saying the most beautiful thing about a painting is not the smell of the paint
You can still write code in obscure coding languages.
Problem is LLMs still produce very often code that disappoints. This ereases trust in it for me and makes me always regret the decision to try it yet again. In order to cope with that I try to read and understand the code to verify. But then there is no "scaling of value produced" because its not really faster than doing it all by myself - is this a me problem ? LLMs are no doubt great for searching, generating ideas etc. but programming...?
waititng for the the third winter of AI
Coding has been becoming a commodity for at least a decade. If you are trying to compete in this market because you “codez real gud” - good luck with that.
Every open req gets hundreds of applications within the first day and it’s almost impossible to stand out. AI has just accelerated the process
hey, first time commenting here. You're not alone. I also despise llm's for the huge lie they are. They are pushed into every facet our lives to steal our data. They are trained on our stolen art and literature. They will never reach 'AGI', no matter how many regulations and safetychecks are bypassed in the name of progress. It's a con. In the end it's still all about the money. Who is getting rich off the idea that LLM's are the future? The tech oligarchy has aligned itself with the radical right, and taken a page out of their playbook. Do crazy shit, then pretend like it's normal. Pretend you're the only one who thinks it's crazy. Their goal is to make you, and people like you, shut up about the steaming pile of shit that AI is. As soon as the general public realizes that AI has not, in fact, made their lives 1000x better (as is promised with the release of each model), the AI tech bros stop getting massive investments and gov bailouts. Their excessive spending catches up with them, and they can't sustain their growth.
To keep it short on vibe coding, just don't do it. It's been found in recent studies that vibe coding atrophies your hard earned skillz, 'use it or lose it'. Code however you want to, and don't let promttards tell you that you're doing it wrong :).
So don't give up. Don't give in to the marketing that you will be made obsolete if you don't jump on the hype train. Find a community you enjoy working with, and don't let the AI bro's drive you crazy.
TLDR; Just like crypto isn't the future, LLMs are not either. Now more than ever it's important to think about financial incentives, and follow the money. Spread the word and don't let yourself be alienated.You are not alone.
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