Real biological operant behavior isn't exactly trial and error learning.
Many factors shape and guide initial responses.
What I've noticed in some descriptions of models is the use of optimization for reinforcement to shape responses. In real organisms behavior may be controlled by short or long term outcomes, and may oscillate between this "optimization" based on schedules. This produces variability in the trials which can adjust behavior. Are we seeing these reinforcement models do this?
In humans this is often called impulsivity, the preference for smaller sooner outcomes. This is often seen in children and animals and in some adult human behavior.
An impulsive choice is not optimal. You can buy a cheaper pack of gum at Costco in a week or get one for three times the cost right now.
There is a field of hierarchical RL in which the optimisation occurs over a range of time scales/abstraction. But I'm not aware of much practical success for these approaches so far.
I skimmed through the book, and it's lacking the information theory foundations. For example, "trust region methods" come from maximizing the policy's relative entropy (to a reference policy) under a tournament system where high-scoring agents are exponentially likely to survive. In general, a reward is the negative bits it costs an environment to propagate an agent (multiplied by some temperature).
It's just another way to frame it. It's as foundational as the many other ways to frame it. I'm not aware of any major insight you get specifically from this framing. Is there one?
GRPO is policy gradient/PPO with your value function baseline monte carlo estimated using k rollouts. The only new thing is finding out it works well with binary rewards and LLM policies.
definitely the latter, it is even referenced in the foreword:
> Its goal is not to be exhaustive, but rather minimalist
and easy to read. For this reason, it follows the format
of The Little Book of Deep Learning [Fleuret 2023]. Its
tone, however, is closer to that of a blog post, as the
book is built around a single narrative thread. Its
structure broadly follows that of Sutton and Barto’s
Reinforcement Learning: An Introduction [Sutton et al.
2018], which remains the canonical reference on the
subject.
This looks like a good pre-read for Nathan Lambert's https://rlhfbook.com/
Real biological operant behavior isn't exactly trial and error learning.
Many factors shape and guide initial responses.
What I've noticed in some descriptions of models is the use of optimization for reinforcement to shape responses. In real organisms behavior may be controlled by short or long term outcomes, and may oscillate between this "optimization" based on schedules. This produces variability in the trials which can adjust behavior. Are we seeing these reinforcement models do this?
I found this comment/question deeply intriguing.
I’m no expert at this and was wondering what you meant by the following:
> In real organisms behavior may be controlled by short or long term outcomes, and may oscillate between this "optimization" based on schedules
Could you perhaps provide an example that would help me understand what you mean?
Thanks for the insightful comment either way.
In humans this is often called impulsivity, the preference for smaller sooner outcomes. This is often seen in children and animals and in some adult human behavior.
An impulsive choice is not optimal. You can buy a cheaper pack of gum at Costco in a week or get one for three times the cost right now.
There is a field of hierarchical RL in which the optimisation occurs over a range of time scales/abstraction. But I'm not aware of much practical success for these approaches so far.
I skimmed through the book, and it's lacking the information theory foundations. For example, "trust region methods" come from maximizing the policy's relative entropy (to a reference policy) under a tournament system where high-scoring agents are exponentially likely to survive. In general, a reward is the negative bits it costs an environment to propagate an agent (multiplied by some temperature).
Do you have a good source on this information theory framing? I don't remember it being covered in Sutton & Barto.
It's just another way to frame it. It's as foundational as the many other ways to frame it. I'm not aware of any major insight you get specifically from this framing. Is there one?
I wonder what Sutton thinks about some of the more recent innovations in RL like GRPO. In some ways it’s new, in other ways it’s an echo of RLOO.
GRPO is policy gradient/PPO with your value function baseline monte carlo estimated using k rollouts. The only new thing is finding out it works well with binary rewards and LLM policies.
It is a huge improvement to PPO because you don’t need a separate critic model which cuts memory costs in half and stabilizes training.
Yes, but monte carlo estimating the critic model is not new.
This reminds me of the Little Book of Calm, discussed extensively in the Black Books TV series.
Thank you for reminding me to rewatch Black Books.
Is this riffing on Strunk and Whites: The Elements of Style?
Often referred to as "The Little Book".
Most likely not: “The Little Book of …” has been a publisher’s standby since the nineteenth century (at least).
There are several "Libellus de Miraculis" (Little Book of Miracles) of different saints from the 12th century!
I thought the title was an homage to François Fleuret's Little Book of Deep Learning.
https://fleuret.org/francois/lbdl.html
I'm assuming it's more in line with The Little Schemer series of books (https://felleisen.org/matthias/BTLS-index.html) or maybe the little book of deep learning (https://fleuret.org/francois/lbdl.html)?
Proobably the later.
definitely the latter, it is even referenced in the foreword:
> Its goal is not to be exhaustive, but rather minimalist and easy to read. For this reason, it follows the format of The Little Book of Deep Learning [Fleuret 2023]. Its tone, however, is closer to that of a blog post, as the book is built around a single narrative thread. Its structure broadly follows that of Sutton and Barto’s Reinforcement Learning: An Introduction [Sutton et al. 2018], which remains the canonical reference on the subject.
No, it's _obviously_ homage to the Little Liddel[0].
0. https://archive.org/details/lexiconabridgedf00liddrich
The Little Schemer, The Little Typer, The Little Reasoner, The Little Proover The Little MLer ...
It has been going on for a while in Lispy land
My mind immediately went to the "Li'l Bastard General Mischief Kit" from The Simpsons.
https://imgur.com/zMTEE
Love that masterpiece
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Should have named it little RL book.
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