I've heard it said that true understanding is demonstrated when someone can explain difficult concepts well. Tao manages to convey complex ideas without making me feel like he is condescending to me. His depth of understanding is unmistakable.
My changes to his list would be s/Geometry/Topology/ and I might have found a place for logic and type theory. I am especially glad he brought to mind Dynamics since that is a field I know I need to pay more attention to.
Great video, we're lucky to have this kind of content so easily and widely available.
agreed! it's funny, i'm returning to some of the maths i studied in undergrad with a bit more "worldly" knowledge (if you can call comp sci academia knowledge "worldly"), and i'm seeing that so so much of the stuff that was confusing was actually just trying to frame really intuitive properties. of course, the language to do so rigorously can be very dense and terse and difficult to get through, but at the end of the day, mathematicians are often trying to do some very simple things.
for example, intuitively, i and j are _basically_ the same "shape" as one another, and f and c and s and v are _basically_ the same "shape" as each other, but the two sets of shapes are definitely _not_ the same as one another...to quantify this and actually capture it in math you gotta do topology, and once you get past the point set stuff it gets real abstract real fast. but they really just wanna say "hey, my donut kinda looks like my coffee mug".
I love the fact he mentioned the Riemann rearrangement theorem [1] briefly in his examples about analysis. That is (in my opinion) one of the coolest and least intuitive consequences of infinities. Requires some intro to different types of convergence to fully appreciate. More about the theorem here if you’re interested. [2] Weird as it seems it’s definitely true and one of the things you would prove in a typical undergrad sequence on analysis.
[2] Formally, I think the normal way to state the theorem is if you have an infinite series of real numbers which is “conditionally convergent”[3], then the terms can be rearranged so that the sum converges to any arbitrary real number, or diverges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theorem
[3] Meaning it converges but does not converge absolutely. a_n = 1 - 1/2 + 1/3 - 1/4 + … is an example of such a series. It converges but if you take sum of the absolute values of each term you get the harmonic series which does not coverge.
I respected Terence Tao but since listening to his "Mathematics in the age of AI" talk, I've become a fan. I have had nobody else explain so succinctly what is the purpose of Mathematical research, why it matters, and why it is so important to preserve the ways we do math. Even more importantly, I feel it resonates so well with every other field AI is taking over.
Tao talks how this has become even more valuable in maths: understanding, verification, exposition, community judgment, synthesis and canonicalization given how proof generation has become easy (which has historically been considered most valuable).
So I just mapped this to coding also in my expereience and broader industry sentiment.
Code generation was always the hardest and most valuable part. Now that is the cheapest part with claude code and other AI tools.
But taking the candidate output (code) and building harness around it like verification, exposition, human understandability have become all the more important.
Not just generate code, but generate code that other engineers can confidently modify and extend. Or even better - generate reusable canonical abstractions that improve codebase.
Imo it's not numbers at all but linked to our awareness of physical relationships
Making it about numbers is like making it about cans when it's more about grasping adding one can to a bag of cans, adding 100 cans (multiplication), or the inverse with subtraction and division
Which is why I never liked numbers before algebra which then chucks numbers in the bin more or less.
Numbers are just syntax meant to represent $anything; 1.5 can be half a pill and a whole pill or T or A; numbers are euphemism.
That they can be infinitely big and yadda yadda isn't that meaningful in and of itself and that little bigness is all due to additive qualities of physical space
Geometry is addition or subtraction of shape
It's all built on 4 operations we see in daily life all the time
these might not be 100% complete, but i think this does a reaaalllly good job at capturing the vast majority of mathematics.
i'm sure you could come up with another breakdown, but these also have the benefit of tracking roughly with history. numbers and geometry (euclid), then eventually algebra. probability was a fundamentally new way of looking at the world. analysis comes via newton/leibniz and then dynamics tries to tackle complex systems (kinda where newton left off, e.g., 3-body problem type stuff).
also: dimension reduction is not a bad thing. this is like a decomposition: we can decompose so much of what research mathematics is doing into 6 different basis elements. that's pretty darn neat.
Very good resource. However, I fail to understand how a monkey writing the Hamlet is akin to a brute-force problem, in Terence's own words. The thesis seems to be here that given enough time, a monkey will be able to reason as a human.
Edit: Probably refers to the evolutionary aspect of the problem. My criticism is that he compares the time for a monkey needed to learn the hamlet to merely "quadratic time". I disagree that such degree of non-linearity applies here. I think it is grossly simplified/underestimated.
Could you be conflating writing hamlet with understanding how to write hamlet? as in, what it takes to end up with the same raw output though devoid of intent and meaning
I really enjoyed this video (watched it the other day). It makes me feel like it's possible for me to understand the math that I'm currently trying to understand.
Maybe he was joking -not sure but around the 5:45 mark he says "irrational" in irrational numbers comes from the Latin for insane or unreasonable. But just before that he defines the numbers as not being able to be expressed as a ratio (that's what we all learn). Just seems odd he'd juxta that. Or it's dry wit.
> The mathematical sense "inexpressible in ordinary numbers" is from late 14c. in English, from use of the Latin word as a translation of Greek alogon in Euclid.
> The mathematical sense of "relation between two similar magnitudes in respect to quantity," measured by the number of times one contains the other, is attested in English from 1650s (it also was a sense in Greek logos)
We can cross-check dictionary entries. The standard dictionary of Ancient Greek fully backs this up:
The senses that the Greek word and the Latin word have in common are those of reasoning in general and numeric computation in specific. You might guess that "irrational numbers" are named for their inability to be computed. (Or, if you're only looking at Lewis and Short, you might guess that they are named by reference to an inability to think methodically; this sense exists in Latin and indeed still persists in the English word "irrational". Insanity would usually be represented by another word, presumably something more like dementialis than irrationalis.)
However, ratio is the conventional translation of the Greek logos, and since we're told that "rational" (of numbers) comes from a translation of Greek, it seems fair to attribute an existing Greek sense to the translated word too. So the best analysis does appear to be that "irrational numbers" are named, as you might expect, for the fact that they cannot be represented as integer ratios.
For those not in the know, Terrence Howard's dreams of a career in Astrophysics were eviscerated after Neil Degrasse Tyson reviewed his "Theory of Everything" paper [1]
I've heard it said that true understanding is demonstrated when someone can explain difficult concepts well. Tao manages to convey complex ideas without making me feel like he is condescending to me. His depth of understanding is unmistakable.
My changes to his list would be s/Geometry/Topology/ and I might have found a place for logic and type theory. I am especially glad he brought to mind Dynamics since that is a field I know I need to pay more attention to.
Great video, we're lucky to have this kind of content so easily and widely available.
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agreed! it's funny, i'm returning to some of the maths i studied in undergrad with a bit more "worldly" knowledge (if you can call comp sci academia knowledge "worldly"), and i'm seeing that so so much of the stuff that was confusing was actually just trying to frame really intuitive properties. of course, the language to do so rigorously can be very dense and terse and difficult to get through, but at the end of the day, mathematicians are often trying to do some very simple things.
for example, intuitively, i and j are _basically_ the same "shape" as one another, and f and c and s and v are _basically_ the same "shape" as each other, but the two sets of shapes are definitely _not_ the same as one another...to quantify this and actually capture it in math you gotta do topology, and once you get past the point set stuff it gets real abstract real fast. but they really just wanna say "hey, my donut kinda looks like my coffee mug".
I love the fact he mentioned the Riemann rearrangement theorem [1] briefly in his examples about analysis. That is (in my opinion) one of the coolest and least intuitive consequences of infinities. Requires some intro to different types of convergence to fully appreciate. More about the theorem here if you’re interested. [2] Weird as it seems it’s definitely true and one of the things you would prove in a typical undergrad sequence on analysis.
[1] https://youtu.be/OOMx2BHHWtE?is=M1lqZI2gxNqWqg6G&t=18m35s
[2] Formally, I think the normal way to state the theorem is if you have an infinite series of real numbers which is “conditionally convergent”[3], then the terms can be rearranged so that the sum converges to any arbitrary real number, or diverges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theorem
[3] Meaning it converges but does not converge absolutely. a_n = 1 - 1/2 + 1/3 - 1/4 + … is an example of such a series. It converges but if you take sum of the absolute values of each term you get the harmonic series which does not coverge.
I respected Terence Tao but since listening to his "Mathematics in the age of AI" talk, I've become a fan. I have had nobody else explain so succinctly what is the purpose of Mathematical research, why it matters, and why it is so important to preserve the ways we do math. Even more importantly, I feel it resonates so well with every other field AI is taking over.
I also loved this talk (went through printed version: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49362728)
Tao talks how this has become even more valuable in maths: understanding, verification, exposition, community judgment, synthesis and canonicalization given how proof generation has become easy (which has historically been considered most valuable). So I just mapped this to coding also in my expereience and broader industry sentiment. Code generation was always the hardest and most valuable part. Now that is the cheapest part with claude code and other AI tools. But taking the candidate output (code) and building harness around it like verification, exposition, human understandability have become all the more important. Not just generate code, but generate code that other engineers can confidently modify and extend. Or even better - generate reusable canonical abstractions that improve codebase.
Related and a great read: "The Joy of X: A Guided Tour of Math, from One to Infinity" by Steven Strogatz:
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/13356649-the-joy-of-x
The Joy of X and I think now renamed to “The Joy of y” is a great podcast for general knowledge building!
Numbers
Algebra
Geometry
Probability
Analysis
Dynamics
I loved this talk, but these concepts are like an attempt at dimensional reduction of math research, science, the academics knowledge.
I would have loved to have his thoughts on the mathematical mind, the process, how to reason, infer vs deduct, abstract, prove..
I don’t really know, what are the primitives, essential concepts of math reasoning?
Read Polya's "How to Solve It" :)
So… numbers, algebra, geometry, probability, analysis, dynamics are not the primitives or essentials ?
Imo it's not numbers at all but linked to our awareness of physical relationships
Making it about numbers is like making it about cans when it's more about grasping adding one can to a bag of cans, adding 100 cans (multiplication), or the inverse with subtraction and division
Which is why I never liked numbers before algebra which then chucks numbers in the bin more or less.
Numbers are just syntax meant to represent $anything; 1.5 can be half a pill and a whole pill or T or A; numbers are euphemism.
That they can be infinitely big and yadda yadda isn't that meaningful in and of itself and that little bigness is all due to additive qualities of physical space
Geometry is addition or subtraction of shape
It's all built on 4 operations we see in daily life all the time
Why do you feel this is a reduction? If anything, it is an attempt to summarize the various areas of math and how they relate to each other.
It’s like principal component analysis, the main axis, I don’t mean reduction in a negative way.
Isn't every summarization a reduction?
these might not be 100% complete, but i think this does a reaaalllly good job at capturing the vast majority of mathematics.
i'm sure you could come up with another breakdown, but these also have the benefit of tracking roughly with history. numbers and geometry (euclid), then eventually algebra. probability was a fundamentally new way of looking at the world. analysis comes via newton/leibniz and then dynamics tries to tackle complex systems (kinda where newton left off, e.g., 3-body problem type stuff).
also: dimension reduction is not a bad thing. this is like a decomposition: we can decompose so much of what research mathematics is doing into 6 different basis elements. that's pretty darn neat.
(edit: liebnitz -> leibniz)
You can pre order his book Six Math Essentials at https://a.co/d/0e89Jcjf
this is great foundational content! I also enjoyed his earlier appearance on 3Blue1Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOXS_9_P4U
Saw him explain Fourier transforms once; it finally clicked. Probably another masterclass in clarity.
Very good resource. However, I fail to understand how a monkey writing the Hamlet is akin to a brute-force problem, in Terence's own words. The thesis seems to be here that given enough time, a monkey will be able to reason as a human.
Edit: Probably refers to the evolutionary aspect of the problem. My criticism is that he compares the time for a monkey needed to learn the hamlet to merely "quadratic time". I disagree that such degree of non-linearity applies here. I think it is grossly simplified/underestimated.
Could you be conflating writing hamlet with understanding how to write hamlet? as in, what it takes to end up with the same raw output though devoid of intent and meaning
His lectures are gold, always manage to unlock a new perspective. Wish he taught my undergrad courses!
I really enjoyed this video (watched it the other day). It makes me feel like it's possible for me to understand the math that I'm currently trying to understand.
Apologies for the typo. I’ve asked mods to fix it.
Looks like it’s been fixed. Thanks.
wow, that's really nice
Maybe he was joking -not sure but around the 5:45 mark he says "irrational" in irrational numbers comes from the Latin for insane or unreasonable. But just before that he defines the numbers as not being able to be expressed as a ratio (that's what we all learn). Just seems odd he'd juxta that. Or it's dry wit.
Well...
https://www.etymonline.com/word/irrational
> The mathematical sense "inexpressible in ordinary numbers" is from late 14c. in English, from use of the Latin word as a translation of Greek alogon in Euclid.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/ratio
> The mathematical sense of "relation between two similar magnitudes in respect to quantity," measured by the number of times one contains the other, is attested in English from 1650s (it also was a sense in Greek logos)
We can cross-check dictionary entries. The standard dictionary of Ancient Greek fully backs this up:
> λόγος
> II. 2 Math., ratio, proportion
The standard dictionary of Latin doesn't mention this particular sense. (A negative is harder to cite, but you can check it here: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... )
The senses that the Greek word and the Latin word have in common are those of reasoning in general and numeric computation in specific. You might guess that "irrational numbers" are named for their inability to be computed. (Or, if you're only looking at Lewis and Short, you might guess that they are named by reference to an inability to think methodically; this sense exists in Latin and indeed still persists in the English word "irrational". Insanity would usually be represented by another word, presumably something more like dementialis than irrationalis.)
However, ratio is the conventional translation of the Greek logos, and since we're told that "rational" (of numbers) comes from a translation of Greek, it seems fair to attribute an existing Greek sense to the translated word too. So the best analysis does appear to be that "irrational numbers" are named, as you might expect, for the fact that they cannot be represented as integer ratios.
i blinked and read terrence howard. i was like good god
For those not in the know, Terrence Howard's dreams of a career in Astrophysics were eviscerated after Neil Degrasse Tyson reviewed his "Theory of Everything" paper [1]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uLi1I3G2N4
At least spell his name correctly, my goodness...
Terence Tao.
Can't believe we missed that. Fixed now. Thanks!