I can fathom the product losses from this one incident would outweigh all the imaginary reasons people tell themselves for why monitoring/connected/smart devices are useful in their work/home.
Definitely won’t stop anyone buying though is the saddest part.
Any industrial fridge, even many home fridges, have a sound alarm if some temperature threshold is reached. It is trivial to _send_ alerts if the threshold is crossed. What is less common is remote control.
E.g. the -80°C's in our lab are all naturally air gapped: the monitoring system is send-only.
It’s kind of a low-grade risk though, don’t you think? I imagine it’s unlikely we’d see major changes over “some stores lost a few hundred grand due to a cyber attack”.
I suppose it could expand, but even still, there’s plenty of non-perishable foods. It would be annoying at worst, but maybe never outright dangerous?
It is not a low grade risk at all, these represent extreme health risks to the customer.
It may be some time before staff notices a unit is heating up. And if customers aren't paying attention and grab something biologically fragile like milk they could get food poisoning that could hospitalize you for days.
Food needs to be at room temperature for 8 hours before it’s considered spoiled. These are refrigerated products, surrounded by tons of thermal mass (other products) in often enclosed or highly efficient spaces. You’d need people to not notice that every single package they touch in the freezer is literally room temp for a full workday before this starts causing mass poisoning. Not sure that’s reasonable.
Well "a" (aka 1) freezer malfunctionning will let a few items spoil. Hundreds of connected appliances nation wide, that's a different story.
They had been able to manage just fine for several decades before internet of shits happened.
Fear not for them though, they'll go whine under the government's noze and get a refund. So much for the liberalism they praise when everything is fine for them.
I can fathom these have caught more failures than they've caused for these supermarkets, not counting the other ways they use smart devices. If there's a sad part to be found it's in single points of failure but even that may not be far off cost optimal in the long run.
But the way you find out which kind of scenario is by getting the loss and savings data and comparing it, not wondering what could be true and declaring it be the saddest one.
There was also an, as far as is known, unrelated cyberattack on Dutch supermarket chain AH, which has had to suspend activity at some of its distribution centres.
I can fathom the product losses from this one incident would outweigh all the imaginary reasons people tell themselves for why monitoring/connected/smart devices are useful in their work/home.
Definitely won’t stop anyone buying though is the saddest part.
When a freezer stops working and nobody notices for a while, the food will spoil then, too.
If it were monitoring-only, rather than connected to the power, it would probably be fine.
It’s a supermarket, staff will be stocktaking, restocking, walking past A LOT.
True, but they'd need to be specifically checking a thermometer or it might warm up a fair bit before being noticed.
Any industrial fridge, even many home fridges, have a sound alarm if some temperature threshold is reached. It is trivial to _send_ alerts if the threshold is crossed. What is less common is remote control.
E.g. the -80°C's in our lab are all naturally air gapped: the monitoring system is send-only.
It’s kind of a low-grade risk though, don’t you think? I imagine it’s unlikely we’d see major changes over “some stores lost a few hundred grand due to a cyber attack”.
I suppose it could expand, but even still, there’s plenty of non-perishable foods. It would be annoying at worst, but maybe never outright dangerous?
It is not a low grade risk at all, these represent extreme health risks to the customer.
It may be some time before staff notices a unit is heating up. And if customers aren't paying attention and grab something biologically fragile like milk they could get food poisoning that could hospitalize you for days.
Food needs to be at room temperature for 8 hours before it’s considered spoiled. These are refrigerated products, surrounded by tons of thermal mass (other products) in often enclosed or highly efficient spaces. You’d need people to not notice that every single package they touch in the freezer is literally room temp for a full workday before this starts causing mass poisoning. Not sure that’s reasonable.
Well "a" (aka 1) freezer malfunctionning will let a few items spoil. Hundreds of connected appliances nation wide, that's a different story.
They had been able to manage just fine for several decades before internet of shits happened.
Fear not for them though, they'll go whine under the government's noze and get a refund. So much for the liberalism they praise when everything is fine for them.
I can fathom these have caught more failures than they've caused for these supermarkets, not counting the other ways they use smart devices. If there's a sad part to be found it's in single points of failure but even that may not be far off cost optimal in the long run.
But the way you find out which kind of scenario is by getting the loss and savings data and comparing it, not wondering what could be true and declaring it be the saddest one.
I remember someone positing that something similar had happened to fridges on US army bases
There was also an, as far as is known, unrelated cyberattack on Dutch supermarket chain AH, which has had to suspend activity at some of its distribution centres.
Amsterdam will starve a bit these days, rest of the Netherlands has no supermarket monoculture.
Are you sure they weren't just running backup nodes for Pied Piper's decentralized internet?
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50055304
why so many dupes from this incident?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50055304
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50057551