I've been exploring Chatto as a self-hosted chat UI in my homelab for interfacing with durable agents and it works pretty well so far, although the API is (by the author's own admission) not fully stable yet.
Not to claim that Discord has like copyright over their layout, but do you not anticipate eventually running into problems with them due to using pretty much the same layout/visuals verbatim? It is to the point where one could easily be visually mistaken for the other unless a much closer look is taken
And "discord" means "disagreement", "lack of harmony", "arguments" in English. Even weirder name for a chat application in an even more commonly used language.
"Slack" associates pretty strongly with "slack off" (get no work done) too, so that one's also strange.
I figured Slack referred to slack in task time estimation i.e. the amount of extra time allowed in a task. Collaborating on Slack would count towards that time.
The only explanation I can offer for “Slack” is that its founders and top brass have been adherents of the “parody religion” Church of the SubGenius, and have successfully interposed themselves into the everyday business machinations of a wide swath of Western businesses.
Meanwhile, “Discord” wouldn’t surprise me if it were a product of the Discordians themselves, a similarly disorganized “parody religion”.
Can you elaborate on why E2E encryption is not "appropriate for childrens' messaging"? Does this imply that we should be able to surveil what children say to each other, or..?
yes, because most HNers are already old so none of that applies to them, thus it's either no internet, no phone or you have to have all kinds of spyware watching what your kids (right up until 18) do 24/7
I bet everyone would've loved to live like that when they were younger. right?
I had no clue videogames were for kids, silly me. I'd better uninstall Steam right now, and move to Microsoft Teams to talk to my friends while I'm at it.
Children shouldn't be using the internet unsupervised.
Games are also played by adults.
Discord is just a communication platform that isn't inherently tied to gaming.
Previous alternatives for discord never included video, so they were no alternatives. So: great to see this!
Nitpick: the bottom row on the front page shows a discord link, but not their own strafe link. I hope they can add this because of dogfooding.
I also want to highlight Chatto here: https://chatto.run/ Very lightweight and self-hostable. Not e2ee, though.
Fluxer is another one (self-hostable, not e2ee afaik): https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer
Another one is Stoat (formerly Revolt): https://stoat.chat/
I've been exploring Chatto as a self-hosted chat UI in my homelab for interfacing with durable agents and it works pretty well so far, although the API is (by the author's own admission) not fully stable yet.
Not to claim that Discord has like copyright over their layout, but do you not anticipate eventually running into problems with them due to using pretty much the same layout/visuals verbatim? It is to the point where one could easily be visually mistaken for the other unless a much closer look is taken
Incase anyone is wondering, there is a screenshot here: https://github.com/StrafeChat
https://github.com/StrafeChat
There’s a GitHub but it was all the way at the bottom of the page behind a tiny icon in a group of other socials. At least on mobile it was.
Links to docs, resources, GitHub is non existent. Also no screenshots. Waste of time.
What site were you looking at? All those things are on the page.
Great project, glad to see something like this!
Also all links under the resources heading are broken.
No reaction emojis?
Claims to be done right, vibecoded bs from last week that can't even get the links on their page right, who cares
Means "punishment" in german, weird name.
And "discord" means "disagreement", "lack of harmony", "arguments" in English. Even weirder name for a chat application in an even more commonly used language.
"Slack" associates pretty strongly with "slack off" (get no work done) too, so that one's also strange.
I think "Zulip" has the best naming of all these.
Discord is on brand for many of the "discussions" on there.
What does Zulip mean?
Zulip definitely is the worst naming if you don't go off of what the name means literally
slack and discord are very good household names, same with twitter (rip) and google etc.
nobody's gonna say "hop on Zulip"
I figured Slack referred to slack in task time estimation i.e. the amount of extra time allowed in a task. Collaborating on Slack would count towards that time.
The only explanation I can offer for “Slack” is that its founders and top brass have been adherents of the “parody religion” Church of the SubGenius, and have successfully interposed themselves into the everyday business machinations of a wide swath of Western businesses.
Meanwhile, “Discord” wouldn’t surprise me if it were a product of the Discordians themselves, a similarly disorganized “parody religion”.
Also see: Slackware.
I always preferred Discordianism over CofSG, but both were cool.
Slack is also allowance in budgets (time, finance, materials) to allow for unplanned pressures, demands or constraints.
Slack stands for Searchable Log of All Conversations and Knowledge. Prior to that, it was going to be "linefeed".
Did you read that on the English Wikipedia or something? Have you ever heard of "backronyms"?
"Discord becomes strife cause that means kinda the same thing, strife becomes strafe cause that's a gamer term"
is the completely german-less train-of-thought I could imagine leading to this name
Building strafe.chat and expecting people to not expect it’s a D/s chat app is hilarious.
Also “strafe on your desktop”. Plus this is obviously entirely vibecoded.
Horrible idea, Discord is an app for videogames, which means it's an app for kids.
E2E is just not appropriate for handling childrens' messaging.
Can you elaborate on why E2E encryption is not "appropriate for childrens' messaging"? Does this imply that we should be able to surveil what children say to each other, or..?
yes, because most HNers are already old so none of that applies to them, thus it's either no internet, no phone or you have to have all kinds of spyware watching what your kids (right up until 18) do 24/7
I bet everyone would've loved to live like that when they were younger. right?
E2E or not, as a parent you can always surveil it on-device. Or just don't give the damn phone at all.
I had no clue videogames were for kids, silly me. I'd better uninstall Steam right now, and move to Microsoft Teams to talk to my friends while I'm at it.
Games aren't just for kids. Furthermore, children also have a right to privacy and should be protected, especially from the big tech companies.
> Discord is an app for videogames
Children shouldn't be using the internet unsupervised. Games are also played by adults. Discord is just a communication platform that isn't inherently tied to gaming.
This post genuinely made me laugh in anticipation of the replies it'd trigger, have an upvote friend