I have been seriously inspired by him and the works of other people like Dala from Battery Emulator. The only reason this project really took off is because Nissan actually has a document for second life use for the leaf battery.
What is also quite funny is the CyberTracker right now is one of the largest capacity home storage batteries you can buy with a very very low-cost price per kWh and you also get a car lol.
There are massive issues with this kind of stuff and most of them are regulatory. A huge EV battery is "not safe" to be inside your home despite the conditions for home usage being significantly less stressful and likely to cause a fire than it being in a vehicle. Furthermore, the advancement in battery chemistry means that fire risk now is still incredibly low but there is no legal way to have an EV battery for home storage since it's not UL Listed despite all of the regulations for NHTSA being much stricter than the regulations for UL
If companies actually made equipment to plug directly into these batteries and sold them for a reasonable price rather than hacking together an inverter and a battery and playing pretend car to draw the power and close the contactors it could be a serious powerhouse for both home users and datacenter infrastructure.
Here what actually needs to happen
- Batteries need to be documented and all of the information is shared so that second life use is possible. Once example comes to mind is the Cybertruck has an 800v battery but allows charging at lower voltage stations by calling a secret internal command to split the packs into two. This should NOT BE PRIVATE
- There needs to be a way for equipment to inherit some of these standards and become UL listed when installed correctly with supported equipment so that people can have these batteries in their home without voiding home insurance and adding risks.
- Inverter manufactures must be forced to have a minimum standard for a compatible battery. No more walled gardens for hooking up both car batteries and even competing manufacturers batteries. This should also extend to control. This would kill the battery-emulator project which is probably the better thing to do.
Now you might be asking how can we do all this? Simple, the same way we have encouraged domestic manufacturing of Inverters and Solar Panels!
Remember guys, it always goes Reduce Reuse!!! Recycle.
Recycling should be a last resort when economically viable reusage is not possible
Shout out to Moment Energy (no affiliation) who is doing a lot of the above. They repurpose EV batteries into UL-certified backup units for data centres. I believe they had to do a lot of reverse engineering to figure out how to communicate with the batteries 'properly', i.e. without pretending to be a car.
Not sure I follow the argument - many people already have EVs in their garages, but if they had bi-directional charging those would be more dangerous? (I personally charge in the driveway because my garage is full of bikes and random clutter, but I would love to have V2G added to my PV+BESS).
That's not technically true either. It's just that the electrical code requires that any home battery storage system needs to be UL listed. Which car EV batteries are not
No, it's completely fine but according to the standards its kind a loophole. My point being is that if you somehow remove the car part of the battery it becomes dangerous/uncertified which is dumb
Shout out to Moment Energy (no affiliation) who is doing a lot of the above. They repurpose EV batteries into UL-certified backup units for data centres. I believe they had to do a lot of reverse engineering to figure out how to communicate with the batteries 'properly'.
Living off grid and doing this for years, useing whatever batteries I can find.
Currently useing 2volt pb cells from a cell tower back up power system, found out my inverter and charge controler will both run at 56v nominal, for a bigger bank with lower current draw and differentials.
Busy working towards an outside power room in a shipping can shop, will be 8'x 8' x 9.5' h, and contain ALL my rather large collection of power equipment, tools, parts, and related electronics, but am very likely to upgrade to new sodium battery cells and build my own bank and aim towards car charging and a two way power link.
As to danger, anything sitting there with ~50kw/hrs power in it can easily make you, dead, funny looking, or both and happily turn a wrench into a nice big ball of plasma
for your close inspection.
It's best to treat a big battery like having a large ambush predator as a pet,nothing personal, but it has certain triggers and is faster than you can imagine, way tougher than you are, and infinitly patient. Or think of it as a gun that can not be unloaded, has multiple triggers, and can be induced to explode. Plus they can just fall on you and crush you.
That all said, properly tested, commisioned and maintained, they are as safe as anything else.
The Battery Man!
I have been seriously inspired by him and the works of other people like Dala from Battery Emulator. The only reason this project really took off is because Nissan actually has a document for second life use for the leaf battery.
What is also quite funny is the CyberTracker right now is one of the largest capacity home storage batteries you can buy with a very very low-cost price per kWh and you also get a car lol.
There are massive issues with this kind of stuff and most of them are regulatory. A huge EV battery is "not safe" to be inside your home despite the conditions for home usage being significantly less stressful and likely to cause a fire than it being in a vehicle. Furthermore, the advancement in battery chemistry means that fire risk now is still incredibly low but there is no legal way to have an EV battery for home storage since it's not UL Listed despite all of the regulations for NHTSA being much stricter than the regulations for UL
If companies actually made equipment to plug directly into these batteries and sold them for a reasonable price rather than hacking together an inverter and a battery and playing pretend car to draw the power and close the contactors it could be a serious powerhouse for both home users and datacenter infrastructure.
Here what actually needs to happen
- Batteries need to be documented and all of the information is shared so that second life use is possible. Once example comes to mind is the Cybertruck has an 800v battery but allows charging at lower voltage stations by calling a secret internal command to split the packs into two. This should NOT BE PRIVATE
- There needs to be a way for equipment to inherit some of these standards and become UL listed when installed correctly with supported equipment so that people can have these batteries in their home without voiding home insurance and adding risks.
- Inverter manufactures must be forced to have a minimum standard for a compatible battery. No more walled gardens for hooking up both car batteries and even competing manufacturers batteries. This should also extend to control. This would kill the battery-emulator project which is probably the better thing to do.
Now you might be asking how can we do all this? Simple, the same way we have encouraged domestic manufacturing of Inverters and Solar Panels!
Remember guys, it always goes Reduce Reuse!!! Recycle. Recycling should be a last resort when economically viable reusage is not possible
Shout out to Moment Energy (no affiliation) who is doing a lot of the above. They repurpose EV batteries into UL-certified backup units for data centres. I believe they had to do a lot of reverse engineering to figure out how to communicate with the batteries 'properly', i.e. without pretending to be a car.
Not sure I follow the argument - many people already have EVs in their garages, but if they had bi-directional charging those would be more dangerous? (I personally charge in the driveway because my garage is full of bikes and random clutter, but I would love to have V2G added to my PV+BESS).
They aren't saying EV batteries are actually more dangerous. The electrical code treats them as though they are dangerous.
That's not technically true either. It's just that the electrical code requires that any home battery storage system needs to be UL listed. Which car EV batteries are not
No, it's completely fine but according to the standards its kind a loophole. My point being is that if you somehow remove the car part of the battery it becomes dangerous/uncertified which is dumb
Shout out to Moment Energy (no affiliation) who is doing a lot of the above. They repurpose EV batteries into UL-certified backup units for data centres. I believe they had to do a lot of reverse engineering to figure out how to communicate with the batteries 'properly'.
Living off grid and doing this for years, useing whatever batteries I can find. Currently useing 2volt pb cells from a cell tower back up power system, found out my inverter and charge controler will both run at 56v nominal, for a bigger bank with lower current draw and differentials. Busy working towards an outside power room in a shipping can shop, will be 8'x 8' x 9.5' h, and contain ALL my rather large collection of power equipment, tools, parts, and related electronics, but am very likely to upgrade to new sodium battery cells and build my own bank and aim towards car charging and a two way power link. As to danger, anything sitting there with ~50kw/hrs power in it can easily make you, dead, funny looking, or both and happily turn a wrench into a nice big ball of plasma for your close inspection. It's best to treat a big battery like having a large ambush predator as a pet,nothing personal, but it has certain triggers and is faster than you can imagine, way tougher than you are, and infinitly patient. Or think of it as a gun that can not be unloaded, has multiple triggers, and can be induced to explode. Plus they can just fall on you and crush you. That all said, properly tested, commisioned and maintained, they are as safe as anything else.